{"id":29,"date":"2022-12-08T23:32:05","date_gmt":"2022-12-08T23:32:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.moonbop-bebop.com\/?p=29"},"modified":"2022-12-08T23:41:44","modified_gmt":"2022-12-08T23:41:44","slug":"why-do-we-use-%ea%b0%80-when-it-rains","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.moonbop-bebop.com\/?p=29","title":{"rendered":"Why do we use -\uac00 when it rains?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>I was recently writing something about topic-marking particles (\uc740\/\ub294) and subject-marking particles (\uc774\/\uac00), and I suddenly started wondering why we almost always use -\uc774\/\uac00 with rain and snow. When it\u2019s raining, why do we say, \u201c\ube44<strong><font color=\"blue\">\uac00<\/font><\/strong> \uc640\uc694\u201d and not \u201c\ube44<strong><font color=\"blue\">\ub294<\/font><\/strong> \uc640\uc694\u201d? When it\u2019s snowing, why does \u201c\ub208<strong><font color=\"blue\">\uc774<\/font><\/strong> \uc640\uc694\u201d sound natural but \u201c\ub208<strong><font color=\"blue\">\uc740<\/font><\/strong> \uc640\uc694\u201d sounds weird? I thought about this a lot and came up with some possibly wacky personal speculation. (I do this a lot, the wacky speculation thing. I\u2019m insatiably curious!)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I think maybe this is because our conversational focus is really unlikely to be the rain or snow itself. The topic marker -\uc740\/\ub294 generally serves a couple of primary purposes: (1) setting the topic of conversation or (2) showing comparison or contrast. When we start talking about a rainy day, it might seem like we should say, \u201c\ube44\ub294 \uc640\uc694,\u201d because we\u2019re talking about rain, right? Isn\u2019t rain our topic?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But once I thought about it, I realized that people don\u2019t tend to really focus on talking about the rain as a phenomenon\u2014instead, they\u2019re probably focusing on the fact that the ground will be wet, the picnic will be canceled, they like the sound against the windows, driving will be dangerous, or whatever. When you\u2019re talking about rain, you\u2019re usually talking about the <strong>effect<\/strong> it\u2019s having on you or the world, not starting a conversation about the actual concept or physical characteristics of rain. So rain isn\u2019t your actual <strong>topic<\/strong> \u2026 it\u2019s just the cause of events.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>A lot of teachers suggest thinking of the topic marker as implying \u201c<em>as for\u2026<\/em>\u201d (like \u201c\uc800\ub294 \ud53c\uc790\ub97c \uc88b\uc544\ud574\uc694\u201d meaning \u201c<em>As for me,<\/em> I like pizza\u201d), but if we did this with my rain example, we would have \u201c\ube44\ub294 \uc640\uc694\u201d meaning something like \u201c<em>As for the rain<\/em>, it comes,\u201d which implies a kind of focus on the rain that doesn\u2019t sound at all natural. Like we\u2019re comparing the rain to other things that haven&#8217;t come, or something. Sounds funky to me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Also, when we say \u201c\ube44\uac00 \uc640\uc694,\u201d the rain is usually new information which we haven\u2019t mentioned in previous sentences, and new information usually merits the subject marker -\uc774\/\uac00. Maybe if we were afterward going to continue to talk about the characteristics of the rain itself (rather than the environment in which the rain is falling or the effect the rain is having), then we might use the topic marker, but I haven\u2019t seen it often with reference to weather.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I got curious and looked at the lyrics for BTS\u2019s song \u201cRain,\u201d because I figured an entire song about rain might have some examples of the topic marker -\ub294 being used with \ube44, and I think the song\u2019s lyrics contain some useful examples of nuances that the topic marker can bring. In most places in the song, \ube44 takes the subject marker -\uac00 or takes no marker at all. But here are a couple of examples of lines where \ube44 takes the topic marker -\ub294:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>\uc219\uc18c \ubc16 \uc5ec\uc804\ud788 \ube44\ub294 \ub0b4\ub9ac\ub124 (It\u2019s still raining outside the dorm)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>\uc774 \ube44\ub294 \ub204\uad74 \uc704\ud574\uc11c \ub0b4\ub9ac\ub294 \uac78\uae4c? (Who is this rain falling for?)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>In the first line\u2014\u201c\uc219\uc18c \ubc16 \uc5ec\uc804\ud788 \ube44<strong>\ub294<\/strong> \ub0b4\ub9ac\ub124\u201d\u2014I personally think the topic marker gives a feeling that this is familiar rain, the same rain that has been falling outside the dorm since BTS were trainees, almost as if it has been continuous during all of those years, maybe is even composed of the same raindrops. I\u2019m far from fluent, but it just gives me that sort of feeling. If it were written with the subject marker -\uac00 instead (\u201c\uc219\uc18c \ubc16 \uc5ec\uc804\ud788 \ube44<strong>\uac00<\/strong> \ub0b4\ub9ac\ub124\u201d), I think there would be less of a sense of it being the same rain. It would be less poetic and more just \u2026 yeah \u2026 it\u2019s always raining outside the dorm. Big deal.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In the second line I listed above\u2014\u201c\uc774 \ube44\ub294 \ub204\uad74 \uc704\ud574\uc11c \ub0b4\ub9ac\ub294 \uac78\uae4c?\u201d\u2014I think the topic marker is being used to differentiate this specific rain from other rain. THIS rain \u2026 this SPECIFIC rain, as compared to other rain I\u2019ve experienced \u2026 who is THIS rain falling for? I think if it were written with the subject marker -\uac00 (\u201c\uc774 \ube44<strong>\uac00<\/strong> \ub204\uad74 \uc704\ud574\uc11c \ub0b4\ub9ac\ub294 \uac78\uae4c?\u201d) it wouldn\u2019t really make much sense. With the adjective \uc774 (\u201cthis\u201d), we\u2019re implying that we\u2019re talking about some specific rain, which implies differentiating it from other rain, and we use the topic marker for these kinds of contrast.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>That last thought made me curious to investigate whether nouns following \uc774, \uadf8, and \uc800 more often take the topic marker rather than the subject marker, but perhaps that is an investigation for another day, since I\u2019ve already ventured pretty far afield in my speculations for today.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I also have a longer blog entry that\u2019s more generally about topic- and subject-marking particles, but that, too, will wait for another day!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>As I&#8217;ve said, I&#8217;m not a native speaker. This is really just me letting my brain run free to try to imagine why the language works the way it does, so I would be happy to hear other thoughts about this!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&#8211;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Side note:<\/strong> The lyrics I quoted above use the verb \ub0b4\ub9ac\ub2e4 (to fall, drop, descend, etc.) instead of \uc624\ub2e4 to describe rain. I think this, too, is to create a more poetic feel. In use, I\u2019ve most often seen \ub0b4\ub9ac\ub2e4 used to describe a person\u2019s act of disembarking from a mode of transportation (getting out of a car, getting off a bicycle, getting off a train, etc.), and people usually use \uc624\ub2e4 to talk casually about falling rain and snow. But it\u2019s good to remember that other verbs can be used, too!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I was recently writing something about topic-marking particles (\uc740\/\ub294) and subject-marking particles (\uc774\/\uac00), and I suddenly started wondering why we almost always use -\uc774\/\uac00 with rain and snow. When it\u2019s raining, why do we say, \u201c\ube44\uac00 \uc640\uc694\u201d and not \u201c\ube44\ub294 \uc640\uc694\u201d? When it\u2019s snowing, why does \u201c\ub208\uc774 \uc640\uc694\u201d sound natural but \u201c\ub208\uc740 \uc640\uc694\u201d sounds weird? &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.moonbop-bebop.com\/?p=29\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Why do we use -\uac00 when it rains?&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":36,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[10,11],"tags":[9,5,6,8,7],"class_list":["post-29","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-grammar","category-particles","tag-grammar","tag-korean","tag-particles","tag-subject-marker","tag-topic-marker"],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/www.moonbop-bebop.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/pexels-photo-1463530.jpeg","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":45,"url":"https:\/\/www.moonbop-bebop.com\/?p=45","url_meta":{"origin":29,"position":0},"title":"Topic and Subject Markers","author":"Kimberly","date":"January 27, 2023","format":false,"excerpt":"\uc740\/\ub294 or \uc774\/\uac00? 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